An anniversary visit provided an opportunity to return to Albert Docks, Liverpool. This wasn’t a photography visit Per Se, so I just used my phone and added to the 12 Pics series here.
You can see that in some of the images the phones camera was starting to struggle a bit. Perhaps a flagship model would have coped better?
On the one hand the images are OK as record shots. On the other, the photographer in me thinks I should have used one of my cameras rather than my smartphone.
Nobody pays any attention to people using smartphones to take pictures, but in some places using a ‘big’ camera would have security guards twitching. You cant help thinking if you were doing anything untoward you would blend in better with a phone.
Normally I would have brought my Nikon V1 as my travel camera, but for this weekend I left it at home. There could still be an argument for something more capable than a phone but not the size of a DSLR.
I hope the race towards full frame mirrorless doesn’t leave a gap in the smaller more portable camera category. The trend at the moment seems to be mirrorless full frame with big expensive lenses.
Just when people need a smaller alternative it looks like that option could have less choice in the future.
It took Nikon three years to kill off the 1 series, so will DX become the new CX?
Nikon released their last 1 series camera in 2015. This year after all the speculation Nikon 1 owners were finally put out of their misery with the officially discontinued announcement. The lack of love for CX lenses was there all along, We were in denial.
Unfortunately there could be some parallels with DX here. Why on God’s green earth did Nikon put so much effort into 18-something zooms.
Surely some of those resources could have been put to better use. Like a couple of wide angle primes that people were begging for. But no…let’s do another zoom… just in case we don’t have enough.
Then the piece d’resistance – the AF-P series. Let’s release more of the same but this time we’ll nobble the backwards compatibility. Score.
Nikon couldn’t produce or didn’t have the will (your choice) to proactively run three lens lines. But they have backed themselves into the same corner again.
I am a CX shooter. I am a DX shooter. For me DX (or Aps-c) is a sweet spot of value, size and quality. I don’t need a £2k (or £3k) mirrorless or DSLR or even full frame camera, my photography is more of a hobby.
I fear that Nikon will eventually ‘pull a 1 series’* on their DX range and ignore them out of existence. Maybe not straight away but in the next three to five years.
The problem then becomes a familiar experience. At which point do you say enough is enough and refrain from buying new bodies and lenses.
A bit doom and gloom? Yes, but that is what Nikon 1 owners went through.
Learning from the past do we really want to [have to] go through it again with DX?
* ‘pull a 1 series’ – adj- to totally ignore telling people then discontinue. Pertaining to cameras, lenses etc 🙂
It’s bananas…. Here in the UK, Tesco managed to get them themselves some free publicity on the BBC news website over bananas.
Apparently their inner city stores (due to increased rents) are now charging by the banana rather than weight. Effectively this means the price of said bananas has increased from between 10 and 15p to 25p each according to the article.
Now let’s put that in some photographic context:
A Nikon D850 body only was less than £3000 in May of this year. It is currently between £3249 and £3499. There is a similar price range for the Canon 5Dmkiv. A Nikon D7200 is now £150 more than in May. (Source camerapricebuster.co.uk, today’s date).
I’ve written before that camera prices have been nudging up slowly without anyone really noticing.
The new mirrorless offerings from Canon and Nikon are starting around the £2k bracket. With what appears to be at first sight an accompanying bump upwards in lens prices.
I’m not sure I could bring myself to spend the larger sums of money now being asked for the current mirrorless cameras AND the lenses. No matter how good they are, you are going to need deep pockets.
Hopefully prices of used gear will remain sensible.
It’s interesting how the price of bananas gets people riled up, but the £2k+ prices of new cameras just seems to be accepted.
The mirrorless offerings still seem evolutionary rather than revolutionary. They only took the mirror box out and that took Nikon 19 years.
I’m still thinking this won’t be enough to encourage ‘new’ people to jump onto the band wagon and give a much needed increase to sales.
From what I’ve seen so far, camera manufacturers are still largely ignoring the kind of workflow improvements needed to attract the smartphone buyers.
Eventually the big camera companies may cotton on and stop the ‘ we need to release a new product that’s good but won’t cannibalise our current models’ syndrome.
Until then will photographers quietly put up with increasing prices for not a lot more?
Nikon full frame mirrorless released… and for some it is disappointing. Well that was always going to happen. You just can’t please everyone.
Initial disparaging comments seem to centre around the lack of a second card slot. I have mixed feelings about this. If Nikon are aiming at the enthusiast market I am not sure a second card slot matters that much. If on the other hand the Z’s are aimed at professionals as a back up or 2nd camera then, yes, maybe it is a bad omission.
Reported battery life has also met with some criticism.
So who are Nikon aiming the new mirrorless at? Based on the specs I would say it’s an enthusiast market (for those with a lot of money). Your view maybe different.
One thing is sure. Nikon are certainly aiming at higher values for their new gear. The Z6 is listed at £2099 body only. The Z7 is £3399 body only, with the 50mm F1.8 at £599. That is one expensive nifty fifty. The 35mm F1.8 will set you back £849. For comparison the current 35mm af-s F1.8 G is £479. Hopefully someone with the appropriate testing resources will be able to say if one lens is worth £379 more than the other.
Time will tell if these prices are considered reasonable.
For the gear heads there’s lots of excitement building, we are getting a reasonable idea of the looks and the big question on everyone’s mind…where will they go with that huge mount?
It now clear that Nikon will release two cameras and three lenses later this month. If the rumours are right we are looking at a zoom and a couple of primes for starters.
On the basis my DSLRs won’t self destruct when the mirrorless models are out I have to admit I’m not in the market for one. In fact I don’t see myself buying any camera in the proposed price range, so it’s nothing against Nikon per se.
Lets hope the “take my money” crowd actually pony up something and Nikon have a hit on their hands. In the name of fairness let’s say the same for Canon. Perhaps Sony will respond with an improved offering as well. Competition and choice should be good for everyone.
It will be interesting to see who actually buys the new cameras and whether there will be an increase in used pre owned models for trade in. The same might apply to the Canon camp as well.
I appreciate just because I’m bored (perhaps a month of teasers is too long for me) others are not. That’s fine it takes all sorts.😀
For Nikon we have to wait just over a week.
Canon fans will have to wait a bit longer.
If your into rumours and Nikon take a look at nikonrumors.com that’s where most sites get their info anyway 😉
Where will Nikon stop? With the 1 series and the Keymission discontinued will Nikon stop there or is a bigger repositioning coming?
No this isn’t about their new mirrorless camera and teaser campaign.
Nikon as well as other manufacturers have stated they want to sell more higher value items. It would appear the consensus is to sell fewer units at a higher price. Whether you agree or not there is a subtle shift in nudging prices higher.
Nikon have effectively discontinued their Keymission and 1 series cameras. DX hasn’t really seen a lot of love lately either. They seem to have an issue running three different lens ranges at the same time. CX, DX and FX fought against each other. People in the FX camp didn’t like resources being used on DX 18-xxx zooms. To be honest people in the DX camp would have liked some primes instead of those zooms as well. Same for the CX camp.
Now we have a potential new mount for the upcoming mirrorless cameras. That puts us back to three different ranges again. DX, FX and what everyone seems to be calling Z mount.
I cannot see how Nikon would be able to manage to satisfy the conflicting demands this will cause. They will want to put resources into a new release – fair enough. They will also want to maintain the FX range (for now) and keep those shooters happy.
That brings us to DX.
Has the APS-C format had its time as far as Nikon is concerned? Anything smaller and you have a comprehensive range of m43 gear to choose from with various body styles and lenses. Fuji provide a good APS-C alternative. Larger formats are also provided for. Do Nikon want or even need to compete in this market segment anymore? There is certainly volume but are the margins still there? Will they just neglect the DX range like they did with the 1 series?
If Nikon wanted to stop their presence in the APS-C arena, now would seem like a good time to do it. R & D effort and manufacturing could be assigned to the newer mount and mirrorless range. Production resources may also be freed up and diverted to a range that could have potentially greater rewards for Nikon. Time will tell if they are going to give up on DX, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see a shift in focus away from the smaller format. On a side note – did / has Sony done a similar thing with their A mount?
Prices are going up.
Gear prices are rising across the board. Some consumer bodies have gone up by £100 in a year. New releases appear to be asking higher and higher premiums. Lenses are seeing increases as well. We have enjoyed an era of low(ish) costs unfortunately that is now coming to an end.
Photography is getting more expensive at a time of falling sales in the industry. For pros it could mean putting prices up to cover costs. For the other end of the market there could be a shift to secondhand rather than new. As pre owned values increase even more people could call it a day and just use their phone. Camera manufacturers still seem to be dragging their feet around the connectivity / workflow issues. Will the new Nikons address this?
I’m not convinced that the upcoming mirrorless offerings from Canon and Nikon (or the response from competitors) will be enough to reverse the downward trend on a sustained basis. Sure there is going to be some excitement for a while, but longer term who knows? Younger generations prefer a smartscreen to a focussing screen (or EVF).
Makes you wonder what we will be saying in a couple of years.
Whatever gear you have – or are about to get – enjoy your photography….
There’s some new pictures added to the Eyes Down gallery here.
Here is an example:
My son Andrew takes all the images in the Eyes Down gallery. He has Down Syndrome and some communication difficulties but enjoys going out and taking pictures with his father. He is also has a gift to make people smile.
It’s fascinating to see what Andrew finds interesting. He liked the ducks on the water above, sometimes he takes pictures of paths other times its signs.
I’ve added a Nikon 1 V1 macro picture to the macro gallery. The image below was taken with the 30-110mm Nikon 1 lens with attached Raynox DCR250 adapter. A previous article here gives more examples of what this setup can do. It’s a lot lighter and more portable than my dedicated DSLR lens and can give some amazing results.
OK…. so I clipped the wing on the right hand side a little, but I did manage to get a reasonable amount of eye detail. If you’ve ever tried getting this close to flies you’ll appreciate how difficult it can be. They don’t tend to stay still very long 🙂
Nikon 1 mirrorless is officially discontinued reports Nikonrumors. Well technically the cameras are listed as discontinued on the Nikon Japan website without as yet, an official announcement.
It is almost a year ago since I wrote a similar article here.
It’s a shame Nikon didn’t have the kuhunas to say something. They just left it to the point of embarrassing. You can imagine it became the elephant in the room during management meetings.
I hope that the new mirrorless cameras will not be treated with the same contempt. It would be good if lessons were learnt and Nikon publishes a lens road map at the very least. Will they? Anyone’s guess, but based on past experience it probably won’t happen.
I’ll continue to use my Nikon 1 gear until it fails and then think about options. Secondhand asking prices in the UK have gone up since the beginning of the year. Will they carry on going up or drop like a stone? Will even less people be interested?
Well at least we know now….
Edit: dpreview reports they have had confirmation from Nikon Inc that the 1 system is no longer in production.
After a short break due to family commitments and a holiday where I was effectively off grid (yes that can happen in the UK😀) I’m back posting.
The Nikon mirrorless rumours are ramping up with a potential announcement for the end of the month.
As with all rumour sites the comments manifest pure speculation into fact and as I said before there will be considerable room for disappointment.
If we believe current trending items the Nikon mirrorless offerings will be more upmarket than consumer orientated. Some are even thinking that Nikon may surrender the consumer end of things.
I’m not sure about that. People are forgetting the consumer end is where the volume comes from. Should Nikon reposition themselves in the higher end of the market only that would be a brave move.
Although if you go back around the 1980’s Nikon cameras were aimed more at professionals and journalists. Both in terms of price and specs. The consumer end being catered to by Canon, Minolta, Olympus and Pentax. The original big four. Nikon did release the cheaper Nikon EM in 1979 with a range of more affordable, half a dozen or so E series lenses. Neither the EM or it’s E series lenses gained any traction against the competition.
I’m staying with my flapper™️
I’m not going to immediately trade in my flapper™️ DSLR for a mirrorless. I’ve already got a V1 that complements it. Unfortunately Nikon have and still remains officially quiet about the future of that system. That’s a shame, with many me included, lamenting what could have been.
Even with cargo shorts on in the recent hot weather, I could carry a body (V1) and the equivalent of 28-300mm focal lengths in my pockets. I think you could be hard pushed to try that with m4/3. A large battery means all day shooting is guaranteed, unless your a compulsive chimper seeking help for an addiction.
Lets hope that both Canon and Nikon offer some complementary models and we have even more choice at sensible prices.
Where are Nikon and Canon aiming? High end mirrorless, high price, low volume or will they go the other way and have a low price high volume offering?
Putting aside the lens mount argument (which is already decided we just don’t know what it is yet), another decision to make is which end of the market to aim for.
Most talk on the internet seems to favour something on the high end. I’m not sure that would be a good idea. Price it too high and you will take sales away from your similarly priced DSLRs. Your replacing one sale with another.
Aim for the mid price market and your aiming at the competition. Keep DSLRs high end and look to complement or replace your mid and consumer products.
Of course this is arguably harder now Fuji have released their X-T 100. It offers a low priced entry into their retro mirrorless system. But is it the old printer and ink situation? Virtually give away one and make it up on the other. In Fuji’s case offer a low(er) priced camera but you’ll have to spend money on the lenses. I think that is the Fuji weak spot. The lenses maybe good but they are not cheap and I doubt if Fuji will ever enjoy the volumes of the other two.
Talking of lenses will Canon and Nikon produce a new range of lenses with their mirrorless cameras? If they do it sort of resets the playing field a bit. Not to mention incurring the wrath of all the legacy lens owners.
Interestingly I was reading a website where the Fuji ambassador had been testing the X-T100 for two months. I wonder if Canon and Nikon do the same? The implication being that any new model would have been out for testing way before an announcement. Take into account production lead times and it makes you think how long is it between committing to a design and final release. A quick google search came up empty handed in respect of camera lead times. Although I did manage to find a non specific electronics lead time of 26 weeks. That’s 6 1/2 months. Having worked in an environment with lead times of 1-2 months (non electronic manufacturing), you start to get a feel for the time scales involved.
Hopefully we will see some juicy information soon. Then the rumor sites will really light up, sort of like an internet aurora 😀
Nikon to raise prices in June, which must be their annual ‘let’s squeeze a bit more out of our customers’ rise.
A year ago I wrote a post about reduced consumer spending and a struggling retail sector in the UK. Article here.
I could write the same thing this year and it wouldn’t be out of place. So why do Nikon want to raise their prices? Exchange rates? Again? Or just an annual increase? Nikon have already reduced costs and alluded to wanting to sell less units at a higher price.
They have also reduced R&D spend. To me that sets alarm bells ringing. R&D is important but is also the first thing to get cut. I speak from experience. Controlling costs in a struggling environment is necessary. The problem is when the good times return it is very rare for R&D expenditure to go up.
Whatever the reason I can’t see raising prices helping to stop declining sales. It also sets the scene to introduce their mirrorless camera at a higher price point.
I think increased prices will dissuade an already subdued gear buying public. It gives people an excuse to use their smartphone instead of ‘upgrading’. They’ll stick with what they know and what works for them.
If camera manufacturers embark on increasing prices they will have to do more than iterative updates. Arguably they should be anyway. They also need to solve workflow issues. It’s still easier to post an image from a smartphone to social media than a camera. Not that many cameras are connected (Bluetooth / WiFi) or have GPS. All standard fare for a smartphone.
In fact my D5300 has WiFi and GPS. Built in. Two features I particularly wanted. I don’t want to carry a separate GPS unit that can fall out and get lost. Or more importantly, I can leave behind😉
The WiFi enables me to connect to an iPad and review full size images. Theres not many cameras that can do that. Normally you have to use the lightning connector and import your images to the iPad before viewing them bigger than a thumbnail. A quirk of the Apple eco system.
The Nikon D5300 was introduced in 2013. Yet in some respects still gives new cameras a run for their money. I think it might even still be a current model. For me it’s a bit of a sweet spot in terms of features, size, weight and value. I also appreciate it may not be enough for some. That’s why we are fortunate to have a huge choice of not only bodies but different systems these days. There really should be something for everyone.
Some people are posting in forums that it’s interesting times with Canon and Nikon entering the mirrorless foray.
What I find more interesting is how the industry is going to stop the decline in sales…..
Apparently it’s not just cameras that are boring…mobile phones seem to be suffering too.
An article on wired.co.uk suggests that mobile phone makers are having similar issues to camera manufacturers. After a few incremental upgrades to phones it would appear people aren’t buying new models as often as they once did.
So are we getting bored with minor changes or have we reached the point where the value in upgrading, for most of us, isn’t there any more?
In the case of mobiles it looks like a combination of things, including increasing flag ship prices are playing a part. Together with the realisation that you don’t have to change your phone every two years when your contracts up. The article also states that cheaper manufacturers are eating away at the mid range market quite successfully.
The mobile industry needs ‘the next big thing’, but doesn’t necessarily know what that is yet. Their money seems to be on 5G. If you live in a rural area in the UK, your glad for any G let alone 5 🙂
When Canon and Nikon release their mirrorless cameras there’s bound to be some excitement (and possibly disappointment). But there will be a bit of buzz for a while.
Until the ole hedonic adaptation (or treadmill) kicks in. If that’s a new phrase you never heard of before I’ll try to give a quick unscientific explanation: it’s a theory that people quickly get used to a positive (or negative) event in their life and then return to the previous state of happiness.
In other words the excitement of the new lens, camera or phone (or anything else) will wear off and you return to the level of happiness you had before the purchase.
Bit like getting a quick energy boost from something sugary.
Will a new mirrorless camera be different to what we have now?
In terms of the name on the front, yes. In terms of having a camera with no mirror in it………? Think we got those already.
Will Canon or Nikon give us enough of a value proposition to avoid looking at Fuji, Sony, Panasonic or Olympus? If people have already switched I can’t see them returning to the fold. In the UK we still have very subdued consumer spending. A new camera offering will have to be more than “Hey look… we took the mirror out”. It should be “We took all the good stuff you like about our cameras and added a bunch of stuff to make your workflow easier”.
I can’t think of anything compelling that would make me want to buy a new camera at the moment. Apart from a catastrophic impact onto a pavement or some internal mechanical failure. I appreciate there could be certain features that appeal to certain people, but I’m not going to buy the first generation new mirrorless Nikon put out. I would like an idea of where they will take their mirrorless system first. We don’t want or need another Nikon 1 series fiasco.
Whether you like to use DSLR or mirrorless or both, I can’t help thinking that as photographers were in the same boat with the mobile users.